I've been working off my turn-based needs by reloading Fallout 2. Still a great game, but replaying it shows a lot of holes in the quest system (an object lesson in releasing a game before it's ready).
Not only are there bits of pointers hanging around to quests that can't be finished, but there are lots of quests that you have to do in a certain order to reap maximum advantage. This is very foolish in a world in which you can wander randomly. If you go into building B before building A, you lose the opportunity to be rewarded by someone in building A for rescuing the person in building B, and they don't recognize your achievement retroactively.
Similarly, there are lots of quests where you don't know what the triggers are until you talk to the questgiver, and if you don't have the random item they're looking for, they won't offer the quest again, or they attack you, or disappear never to be seen again. This makes for a particularly annoying brand of save-and-reload gaming.
Fallout 2 Revisited
Playing the fully patched (but de-children'd) UK version I didn't have too much problem the first time through, although it was still buggy (several repeatable Crash-to-desktops, often involving letting off dynamite, possibly where there there were 'invisiblilised' children around?).
Once you know what-is-where though it is wide open to 'cut the corner' gaming - I mean IIRC you can head off SW or whatever and acquire a complete set of power armor and the best guns in the game almost straight away, then cut to the finale, and finish the whole game (less dozens of side quests) in very few hours.
Yes, there are some clearly missing quests. But if you want to see 'really desperately unfinished' you need look no further than Gothic 3, or even the original Gothic 2 (which was SO unfinished they released the final game as an expansion of itself).
Once you know what-is-where though it is wide open to 'cut the corner' gaming - I mean IIRC you can head off SW or whatever and acquire a complete set of power armor and the best guns in the game almost straight away, then cut to the finale, and finish the whole game (less dozens of side quests) in very few hours.
Yes, there are some clearly missing quests. But if you want to see 'really desperately unfinished' you need look no further than Gothic 3, or even the original Gothic 2 (which was SO unfinished they released the final game as an expansion of itself).
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Re: Fallout 2 Revisited
You said it. This is the sort of thing that really turns people off "open" style RPGs and encourages linear gameplay. And I can't say I blame them.Fleisch wrote: Not only are there bits of pointers hanging around to quests that can't be finished, but there are lots of quests that you have to do in a certain order to reap maximum advantage. This is very foolish in a world in which you can wander randomly. If you go into building B before building A, you lose the opportunity to be rewarded by someone in building A for rescuing the person in building B, and they don't recognize your achievement retroactively.
Similarly, there are lots of quests where you don't know what the triggers are until you talk to the questgiver, and if you don't have the random item they're looking for, they won't offer the quest again, or they attack you, or disappear never to be seen again. This makes for a particularly annoying brand of save-and-reload gaming.
FO2 is really bad for it, perhaps moreso than other RPGS; for an open-style game, you really have to do very specific things in very specific orders to complete quests to their fullest.
I recently started the game again, and while it's enjoyable, it's a constant game of "guess what the devs are thinking/want me to do" more than a real RPG.
Pretty off-putting when it comes down to it.
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